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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:22pm

MALE FACTOR CHATTER

Holly Bolly suggested a specal home for you all, so here you go! A new place for your chatter!


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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:30pm

YAAAAYYYYYY!!!!

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Thank you Goddess :D

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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:32pm

Eeyore xxx its Lovely :hugs:

So heres some pretty flowers for the bar :flowerbasket:
Oh and better stock up on the vino for the girls :cheers2:
oh and not forgetting any chaps that pop by :cheers:
There is non alcholic ones here to for the Mummys too :cheers2:

And theres lots of goodies for us all to eat too! come , come eat some and have a chatter! :party:
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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:34pm

T shall we put the boobies on in honour of it being a thread about the boys? :snigger:


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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:41pm

oooh Holly bolly i like it, nice and new yippeeeee.










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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:42pm

oh holly i found the smilies but how you get them on here? i think i am the thick one now lol










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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:46pm

:snigger: ok you have to go to Photobucket and save the pic, then make sure its little so as not to take up to much space, them copy the im address into your post and then you can see it :D xxx


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Friday, May 16th 2008, 1:57pm

ok will give it a try i'm not too good with computers you know ?(










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Friday, May 16th 2008, 2:00pm

just testing lol










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Friday, May 16th 2008, 2:03pm

yippeeee i done it.
, this is gonna be me tonight in my bulgarian party no food only booze :snigger:










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Friday, May 16th 2008, 3:15pm

Will this scare away the boys?? :)
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Friday, May 16th 2008, 3:21pm

I do hope it dosnt scare them away x

It would be wonderful if we had some of the men here talking about stuff .
For my dh its not so much that he will not, more than he just feels he has nothing much to say , mind you I think its all still a bit to fresh for him.
Maybe in time when he has come to terms with it all more he will come back again x

Still in the absense of the guys at least us Ladies have somewhere to chat and talk about it .
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Friday, May 16th 2008, 11:06pm

Tis a bit quiet in here so thought I would just do some spring cleaning.
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Saturday, May 17th 2008, 6:40pm

holmes anyone here? :snigger:


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Monday, May 19th 2008, 10:42pm

Hey hun, you here? xxx


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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 7:15am

Good morning everyone!

This is a better place to clutter, right? Anyhow, apologies for vanishing last night. The Viking needed tending to evil2 . No! Not that! :blowrasp:

So how is everyone today?

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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 7:54am

oh Holly bolly i forgot about this thread, i will pop by more often, now that i've remembered. Oh you done a nice job on the cleaning, not that it needed much. Hi alexandra welcome to the crazy site :snigger: hope you settle in just well.
So come on then where are you all??
What you upto,
Holly you been down the page again??


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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 8:28am

Ohhhh gossip! :yumyum: Except I'd understand none of it being new and all. And celebrity gossip is no fun, is it?

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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 12:32pm

Hi Hun xxx
:hmm: cant really think of any gossip? :snigger:

How are you today ? hows dh? xxx


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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 12:48pm

I guess we're doing "decent" considering the circumstances. My AF is late and had we not had the dx yesterday that would have gotten us very excited so now it's just sad. And we're calling clinics, so far one of the two we're thinking of said they haven't even heard of mTESE and all they can do is TESE after a biopsy so it's a bit of a disappointment.

How are you?

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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 12:56pm

I know hun, I know, its not a nice place to be , we are only 4 months down the line from finding out, you know strange as it sounds it does get better, in that you will come to terms with it and it becomes part of everyday life if that makes sense x
Dont get me wrong I still have some very very dark days but that tends to be when I allow myself to think about to many possible outcomes , The best advice I ever heard was to just deal with each day and try not to focus to far ahead x

So when you say you are looking for clinics ,I take it , its not like the uk then , here you are refered straight to the clinic from your doctors x
So when do you expect the results of the hormone profile? x


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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:04pm

The RE said he'll call the Viking with the results on Monday. I instructed him to get exact values as well as labels as in "bad, good, etc" and to ask what he thinks is the next step and when we can meet asap to discuss our options.

I really don't know how it will work as the system here is very state driven and most healthcare is rather poor as it's state paid however slowly some clinics are starting to have a private side as well and it's the only two private ones we're thinking of (maybe 3 or 4 in the capital but these are the most well known ones). It's possible that part of his treatment is covered since this IS after all a serious diagnostic and we are paying almost 60% of our income in taxes but if it is not that's life, we'll be paying for it ourselves. (Well mostly me as my job includes potential compensation if I do well whereas his is a fixed income.)

So to answer it, no we won't get referred to a certain place, I don't believe so.

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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:11pm

ok I am confused about a few things ?( not hard with me I am afraid ! :snigger:

What is a RE?
Whats Viking?
When you say exact values are you refering to them checking it more throughly to make sure they havent mised one or two and the good/bad of those?

after all a serious diagnostic, Yep I agree 100% still in the uk unless you fit thier ivf/icsi criteria matters not how serious it is :rolleyes:
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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:41pm

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What is a RE?


Reproduction Specialist. Basically the Andrologist we met yesterday.

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Whats Viking?


Here's what http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking were/are. 8) As for My Viking that's my mister :) That's what I call him.

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When you say exact values are you refering to them checking it more throughly to make sure they havent mised one or two and the good/bad of those?


The results we shall get Monday are of his hormonal levels so I want him to jot down exact values such as LHS 3, T/E 12:4 etc.

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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:45pm

:whoops: oh I see! sorry such a wally sometimes! :rolleyes: x

Oh yes the results of the fsh etc..
well my dh I call him spud , his are low, apparently this is unusal and because of this our clinic kinda havent known what to do with us :rolleyes:
sorry bit glum, had a bit of bad news re the appointment , fed up! x


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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:46pm

oh just notice you need 3 more posts ! :D x


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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:48pm

LOL yeah two more. And I'm happy to say they were all genuine. E.g. none made just to reach the number.

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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:49pm

I don't quite follow though. They said the results are low. That sounds very good, doesn't it? It's elevated levels that confirm genetic or NOA, right? Low results may mean that there are ways in which his hormonal system may be jump started?

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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 1:55pm

That is true, if it is low can be jump started , maybe if its birth low hormones like hypogodnadism but tbh he most likely dosnt have this, none of the signs i.e normal destended testicals etc..
The other causes can be tumours on the pituatary gland which again he has no problem with vision or headaches and stuff so dont think its this ethier .
so we have no idea as to why and whats happening.
In a wonderfull world can just be fixed with some hormones and stuff but he will have to have mri scans etc. first to rule out any dodgy causes.
It could be a good thing , but treatment is not always sucessfull for this.
most men from what I read still only manage to produce enougth for use with ivf/icsi and it takes two years of hormone treatment before you even get that far down the line, if thats what the cause :rolleyes: some days it does my head in!


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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 3:06pm

ooooo gosh you have been busy little havn't you.
so i come back and nobody here boooohoooo.

i'll come back later.

Hope your feeling better now hollybolly boo.










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Tuesday, May 20th 2008, 3:23pm

No no, we're here! Well barely back here.

Cheers for the Diary tip Holly! I'm sure any of this is easily doing anyone's head in but you have us here.

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Wednesday, May 21st 2008, 1:01pm

hollybolly, where are you, i come yet again today and your not here, you skiving down the bottom of the page again?? :snigger:,










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Wednesday, May 21st 2008, 2:30pm

HI Bev xx

Sorry hun was at work :sadface: boo to work! :snigger:


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Wednesday, May 21st 2008, 2:32pm

hey Chick, hows you?
oh i know work luckily been quiet so have been able to skive here and there lol










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Wednesday, May 21st 2008, 2:59pm

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Originally posted by twinkletoes
hey Chick, hows you?
oh i know work luckily been quiet so have been able to skive here and there lol


Do you have a diary Twinkletoes? I've tried to find it but couldn't.

How is everyone today?

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Wednesday, May 21st 2008, 3:50pm

Hi Alexandra :wave:

How you doing today? xx


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Thursday, May 22nd 2008, 10:27am

Hey Alexandra yes i have one but its under Bev's IVF Diary.

Hope your both well?
What you all been upto then?
I cant believe how quiet this thread is, where is everyone? why is there only 3 of us ever in here????????????????/
I demand to know!!!!!!!!!! :snigger:










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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 11:30am

Morning everyone!!!
Can't believe I actually forgot that we had this special place!! :8o


My sincere appologies :D

So how's everyone today? All excited at the prospect of bank holiday? (we have monday off Alexandra& twinkle...just in case you didn't know what it meant)

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 11:38am

I heard! Not fair! We have nothing off ever! Well okay maybe we do sometimes. :happy:

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 2:26pm

lmao

I personally believe that we don't get the time off we deserve :shush: we should get at least a week or 2 a year besides the paid time off they have to give us by law :snigger: It's only fair!!

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 2:52pm

:wave: Ladies xxx

Oh I think we may have another connection between us girls ?(
Alexandra, me and T and Indie (who is on Hols at the mo) all have spooky things that are alike about us....
I have just discovered that you, me and T all have something in common too ! :D


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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:10pm

You mean other than no Clive's? :P

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:13pm

whoops2
yes I Mean other than that :snigger:


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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:14pm

lmao

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:14pm

Did you have that meeting with "the real life professor"yet?

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:14pm

Would you like a clue? :snigger:


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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:15pm

oh sorry cross post... no :rolleyes:
feckers! :innocent:


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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:23pm

:wave: Lindsay xxx

Alexandra, Mrs T , where have you got to :snigger:


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Reg: May 19th 2008

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:24pm

Are you saying I don't have a clue?!?

"Are you disrespecting me?!? Are you calling my mother a pike? Are you calling my father a lard arse?!? Look at my face. My face. Am I bovvered, though?!?"

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M[/b]e - 32 pregnant b4, plumbing all fine, Him - 35 Azoospermia
2008 - ICSI w MESA in Spain -Lost over 140 lbs waiting for next 3-ICSI
2010 - ICSI in Sweden - our Little Human Being will be here for NYE

hollybolly

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Friday, May 23rd 2008, 3:26pm

Little Britain? :snigger:


AZOOSPERMIA confirmed 01/2008
TESE sucessfull 08/09
Reconstruction failed 11/09
Given up smoking, now loosing one stone to meet funding critera for Icsi xfingers


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