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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 7:58pm

My Dr laughed at me when I asked if it would help and told me not to bother...but I do have a little extra on my cereal just in case and as I don't really like milk in it's neat form have cunningly changed it custard! Devonshires finest!
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Monday, September 17th 2007, 8:55am

Ah good you have all answered my thoughts with exactly what I was thinking!! Thanks girls!

Kara with regard to the pineapple, I know that eating when you are due to give birth can sometimes bring on contractions, and historically it is known for toning the uterus. i don't think it would make any difference as to whether or not you'd get a bfp from eating it though. It is however very yummy, and full of good stuff so it can't hurt!!
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Friday, September 21st 2007, 10:35am

I understand pineapple is apparently a good source for your selenium.

The milk is to help build the womb lining and is also a good source of protein. I was advised by my clinic that I needed to make sure I was getting enough protein through the cycle so I made sure I was getting a minimum of 60 per day (sorry can't recall what units the protein is measured in when you read it off the back of packets of food !).
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Friday, September 21st 2007, 12:58pm

Clinic yesterday told me to get dh to eat 6 brazil nuts a day as they are packed full of selenium - chocolate covered or not - doesn't matter!
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Monday, September 24th 2007, 10:51pm

Milk

I was told by my consultant that milk itself does not make any difference and to not go too heavy on the dairy products.

I have been given a really useful leaflet from Bridge which explains about proteins etc.

Bridge Centre Leaflet

I wish I had known half of this before but am trying to follow it now
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Tuesday, September 25th 2007, 10:45am

dont know for sure if it works but i love milk and drank loads, milk, milkshakes and ice cream yum yum
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Sunday, October 7th 2007, 6:57pm

Poor egg quality

I am going to jump the gun a little, and assume that our poor fertilisation rate has been down to me having poor quality eggs. I am aiming to help that along, by adopting a low GL diet, amimed at reducing my blood sugar levels, and to lose weight. (I am trying to get back to the rough weight I was when I was super fertile).

Does anyone know of any other ways to improve egg quality? I am willing to try most things! Are there nutritional/food supplements which I should be taking aimed at improving egg quality?

Also has anyone had laparascopic diathermy treatment on their ovaries? This has also been suggested to me as a possible solution IF my ovaries are still appearing polycystic.
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Monday, October 8th 2007, 5:31pm

mrs smiff

i would try and discuss this with your cons, some people say you can improve the quality some say now

they should now how your eggs looked after ec and i would ask this
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Tuesday, October 9th 2007, 10:37am



hi mrs smiff - have a look at these threads - might help

[EMAIL=http://www.fertilityzone.co.uk/thread.php?threadid=8969&hilightuser=646]Egg Quality cant be changed?!!!!???[/EMAIL]

How Do You Improve Egg / Sperm Quality?

hope they help

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Saturday, December 15th 2007, 4:46pm

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Heres my story.... On my first ISCI - ( me polycysytic and DH low count )... we had 20 eggs, 18 fertilised but none suitable for frozen. I was gutted at the time witha BFN, but picked myself up and started again... 2nd ISCI - same protocol/same drugs/same dosage but this time I had accupuncture a few months before and and during tx to improve my egg quality... I drank the milk, eat well etc thru both treatments...this time I had 27 eggs, 20 fertilised, 2 were put back as before and I have 8 frosties to use later on...oh plus a BFP that turned into my lovely little boy :happy:. I really think the accupuncture helped as it's the only thing I did differently - theres no other explanation in my eyes.

Ignore me if you don't fancy any more needles during your TX :bawl:but I really think it helped me a lot

Caz xxxx


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Saturday, December 15th 2007, 6:04pm

I had acupunture Caz for 8 weeks up to my 2nd IVF, right the way through using the IVF protocol but it didn't make any difference for me as I got a BFN but congrats on your little boy, he looks lovely, you are so lucky.

I would like the same answers as you Mrs S as my egg quality dosn't seem great

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Tuesday, December 18th 2007, 11:10am

Sounds as though you are doing the right thing to increase egg quality. I didn't produce many eggs and they were always poor grade.
For my 4th tx I went on a strict anti-thrush diet, which also meant high intake of protein and losing loads of weight. I had acupuncture, bowen and cut down on exercising. I also did the milk and water thing during tx. Lo and behold, Bella has just had her 2nd birthday! And once my body knew what to do, baby no.2 arrived 3 months ago, via natural conception. The power of positive thought is an amazing thing. "Think" your eggs big and strong, and believe it will happen. You just never know....

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Friday, February 8th 2008, 8:07pm

Good quality eggs :)

Hi ladies,
does anyone have any tips for making sure I have healthy eggs? :smile: I am starting puregon up reg drugs on Monday and wondered if I could do anything to help myself , I have only got one ovary and that one has PCOS :bawl: I am sure that I have read somewhere that diet/certain foods help?? ?(

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Friday, February 8th 2008, 8:17pm

:hi: Roxy
I had poor egg quality on my 1st try, but this time I did accupuncture, drank loads of water and ate lots of veg and fruit.

I feel that the accupuncture is a good start, read the story that was inthe news today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1933901.stm

It may help, give it a go!
I love it, its great and relaxing too (and it doesn't hurt).

My eggs were 100% better quality this time round....
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Friday, February 8th 2008, 8:25pm

News story

Hi all

I read this story in the metro as I did my 7 hour round trip to argc today and initially it sounded fabulous, BUT the metro pointed out the balance.... that a survey in the US last year showed a 45% negative response in IVF patients using acupuncture, so its very much a personal choice on where you go with this... if it works for you, then great, but do your research too!!!

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Friday, February 8th 2008, 8:31pm

RE: Good quality eggs :)

Quoted

Originally posted by roxy
Hi ladies,
does anyone have any tips for making sure I have healthy eggs? :smile: I am starting puregon up reg drugs on Monday and wondered if I could do anything to help myself , I have only got one ovary and that one has PCOS :bawl: I am sure that I have read somewhere that diet/certain foods help?? ?(


I think just generally looking after yourself is the best you can do. Eating plenty fresh fruit and veg, drinking plenty water and milk and perhaps taking a pro natal multivitamin.
Very best of luck to you hun x
:xmas8:

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Friday, February 8th 2008, 8:34pm

Hi Jen, :smile: thanks I will download the link now, I found accupuncture helpful with the endo so will definately give that a go, I have upped my water intake although I usually only drink the demon drink Coke but I am banned from that at the moment! I never realised how difficult it was to drink 2 litres of water!
A huge good luck with the test (i am useless with the graphics, i would send you a big fingers crossed if I could) XX

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Friday, February 8th 2008, 8:40pm

Thanks for all of the repliesLadies :D
I think stress will be my biggest barrier - I keep getting told I need to learn how to relax (I reply "try working with teenagers" :snigger:), I will definately follow the diet advice and persevere with the water torture :happy:

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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 8:24pm

I agree with the stress factor Roxy, I get really anxious every cyle. I do have a healthy diet including crisps lol and drink lots of water, take folic acis, no caffeine, no alcohol, who knows if it helps.... oh and I drink pint of milk while stimming. I did have acupuncture last cycle but didn't enjoy it and it didn't get me my BFP but lots of girls swear by it

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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 8:27pm

egg quaility can rarely be changed, good diet is of course important and some said acupuncture helps and also a drug therpy called dhea (janet evan con at ivf is doing a study)

no booze, caffine and smoking of course is best and also eat as healthy as you can. some say milk, i drank 1 glass a day, this is mostly for the protein
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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 8:48pm

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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 9:07pm

Thank youso much ladies blowkiss
I did not realise that milk helps so will add that in, my only milk intake is usually in coffee but thats out, along with chocolate, crisps and chinese food lol, Kara - a huge big :hugs: for Monday, you have been a lot of help to me over the past few days I will be thinking of you :xxx3: Jane are you are February girl too?

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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 9:17pm

Or Ice Cream - I ate LOTS of ice cream when stimming,EC,ET and 2ww I ha no idea it was recommended I just Love Ice cream :D :D
But maybe it helped x x
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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 9:23pm

Now that sounds more like it I LUV ice cream too - Ben & Jerrys chocolate fudge brownie makes a change from my weight watchers eclairs thanks :xxx3:

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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 9:25pm

mm mm mm mm mm mm mm Eclairs - i always get chocci munchies at night.
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Saturday, February 9th 2008, 9:26pm

yummy yummy

im sure that must 100% improve quality :happy:
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Saturday, February 16th 2008, 6:58pm

Excuse me for being thick, whats an anti thrush diet???????????????????????/

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Saturday, February 16th 2008, 7:25pm

Hi Mrs S
I followed Zita West's advice in her book (not at her clinic as wasn't practical) after, I think our 3rd BFN. This time I have taken her Vitamin supliments. She is a strong advocate of accupuncture too.



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Monday, February 18th 2008, 6:39pm

An anti-thrush diet consisted of no sugar of any kind, or anything that was mould producing. So nothing sweet at all, no fruit (fructose), wine or vinegar or cheese (mould), bread (yeast), limited veg (dependant on how much natural sugar content). Any kinds of tea and coffee were also out. Sounds harsh but it really worked as I lost loads of weight, felt fantastic after a month and completely got rid of my thrush. Mind you, the first 2 weeks were horrendous! I was chased out of a sweet shop for licking the walls (only joking!)!!!!!

I stuck to it for 3 or 4 months and began to slowly re-introduce things once I got my bfp.

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Monday, February 18th 2008, 8:51pm

I'm not sure if any of the stuff I've been reading up on is any use to you?

The Randine Lewis book I've got suggests Coenzyme Q10 and pycnogenol (antioxidant) supplementation - but I haven't found any scientific trials where they have actually tested any supplements for the female partner to see if they improve IVF success rates - except for an old study which showed that Vit C supplementation improved IVF outcome (and helped reverse the negative impact on success rates caused by smoking) and several studies which show that folate/vit B complex improved outcome and boosted rates of twin pregnancies with IVF.

Getting your weight right is worth doing, because there has been consistent evidence that a BMI above 25 or less than 20 reduces IVF success rates.

Studies on the effect of acupuncture on IVF outcome have given mixed results with several studies showing a positive effect, some showing no effect and at least one suggesting a negative effect.

Some studies have looked at exercise and have found that higher levels of exercise have a negative effect on IVF success rate.

One interesting study I saw found that, ironically, ladies who scored HIGHER on a rating scale for anxiety and depression relating to their impending IVF, actually had a better IVF outcome than ladies who were more relaxed and optimistic.

I've also been reading up about OD - but haven't come to any good conclusions about it. My understanding so far is that it is more likely to be good route for younger PCO ladies than older ladies, because there is data that shows that it reduces ovarian reserve. It is also more likely to be effective if you have higher LH levels beforehand.

One comforting bit of information is that PCOS ladies have a lower rate of premature ovarian failure than the rest of the population. So it seems that whatever the mechanism is that causes PCOS, it protects against ovarian aging. So maybe if you do have PCO, then there is less chance that your eggs are 'older'.

I don't know if these articles are any use to you:

http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/con…ract/22/10/2660
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16785158
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/19/10/2175
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17852413
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16390777
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16167950

sorry if I've gone off at a bit of a tangent.

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Tuesday, March 4th 2008, 12:58pm

Hi, just to let you know my consultant has actively encouraged me to try acupuncture. It's too soon to tell if it will work, but I can tell you know it's helping me to relax!
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Tuesday, March 4th 2008, 6:53pm

:hi: Mrs S

Sorry I can't offer any advice as im new to all this but didn't just want to read and leave. Good luck with your journey.


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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 3:34pm

Any supplements good for egg quality?!

Hello ladies,

I know there is nothing we can take that can specifically and directly affect the eggs we were born with, but I was wondering if you had come across any kind of supplements that are meant to be able to keep them healthy and protect them in any way?

I haven't been told there is anything wrong with the quality of my little eggies but I just wanted to do the best I can do!

Thanks ladies and babydust

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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 3:57pm

I read some stuff about coenzyme Q10 (I think it might have been in Zita West's book), and there is some stuff about wheatgrass juice being helpful for older ladies and something called DHEA (but that sounded risky).

I don't think there is any scientific proof for taking coenzyme Q10, wheatgrass or anything else that I know of though.

I'm interested to hear if anyone else knows anything.

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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 4:02pm

I don't know anything about eggs specifically but I have just bought the pregnacare conception tablets which have a few different things aimed at different parts of conception? Have been taking plain folic acid for about a year but just bought these for when I run out.

This is what it claims:


Antioxidant minerals with natural vitamin E – Important co-factors in antioxidant enzymes, to help protect genetic material from free radical damage.

Inositol – Inositol may help support ovarian function and influence fertility. It is involved in the cell signalling pathway which influences fertilization and cell growth.

L-Arginine – Well known as a precursor in nitric oxide (NO) metabolism, L-arginine can influence release of the egg from the ovaries (follicular release) as well as healthy follicular blood flow and implantation.

N-acetyl cysteine – A precursor of glutathione, an important antioxidant in the body. N-acetyl cysteine is also important for healthy cervical secretions.

Vitamin B12 – Part of the B complex group of vitamins, it has been found that B12 supplementation can help to maintain healthy ovarian function and reproductive health.

Good luck! x
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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 6:08pm

Thank you all very much ladies.

Carnelian - Your mention of Zita West got me thinking and I went on to her website to have a look at what she offers. I know quite a few girls who have taken her supplements and gone on to concieve so I think I'll give them a go. I've ordered the DHA capsules and Vitafem. For my last IVF and FET I just took my pregnacare and baby aspirin but I'll give them a go and see what happens :smile:
Good Luck with your tx. xx

Londongirl - I've been taking the pregnacare conception but I think I'll try the Zita West supplements this time and see what happens! I'm also going to make sure I eat loads of protein, fish, beans, lentils and a glass of milk per day. I'm even going to go the whole hog and cut out chocolate, sugary processed foods and snacks. i don't drink caffeine or alcohol anyway so I think that'll just about cover it! Loads of luck with your tx and please remember (re last post) you will be a great mum :smile:

Eeyore - Thanks very much for those links. I've read them all with great interest. You are a cavern of information!

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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 6:13pm

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Can I ask - did your consultant prescribe baby asprin last time?


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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 6:20pm

Yes they prescribed it on my fresh IVF and FET. I still had two early losses though.
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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 6:25pm

I am sorry hun, I just wanted to be sure as so many women read the threads and take it upon themselves to take it without being advised to, that came out wrong, I didn't mean you were doing that, I mean my question was so anyone reading this knows not to!

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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 6:30pm

Don't worry! It's my fault. I know exactly what you mean, I don't want somebody to read my thread and think oh I'll take it. I should have said it was prescribed.
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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 6:44pm

I took DHEA. My clinic are doing a trial with it at the moment, and as far as I can tell, from what I have been told by my clinic and what I have read, there aren't any risks involved. Our bodies make DHEA naturally, and it tails off as we get older, hence DHEA is marketed as an anti ageing drug. The trials at the moment are because there have been a lot of cases where there seems to be a direct link between taking DHEA supplements, and improved egg quality and quantity, particularly in patients where either or both were previously low.

My embryo's were of a much higher quality this time round. I don't know if it had anything to do with the DHEA, we'll never know, but my view was that it can do no harm so why not try. I did feel more energetic and definitely had less depressive moments while on DHEA. (It has also been proven to have anti depressant qualities).
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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 7:08pm

on the subject of milk you might want to check out Sarah Dobbyn's 'the Fertility Diet' book (see RECOMMENDED READING).
I've just borrowed this from the library. Haven't made up my mind about the book yet but it does have pointers to some interesting studies that are worth looking into. Unfortunately I don't think she always tells the whole picture, such as studies that might refute others. Anyhow, she cites a controversial study (conducted in 1994) that suggests milk may actually decrease your fertility. I wouldn't want anyone to stop drinking milk on this basis but if you're interested then do look for the book yourselves.


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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 10:12pm

Jen - thanks for this, I'll have a butchers. I have also read that milk in very large quantities is not beneficial but a small glass a day may be beneficial and can do no harm. x

Mrs Smiff - I'm glad you mentioned DHEA and how it may have improved your eggs this time around. I wasn't too sure as I was worried there may be risks but I feel a lot more positive that it can't really do any harm so I may just give it a try. I mean, just look what happened with you...a great big lovely BFP! Congrats on the doubling beta btw :smile:

Even though my FSH is nice and low, 4 of our embryos went to blast and they were good quality I still want to try and improve our chances as much as possible.

Right, I'm off to read that link Jen.

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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 10:15pm

Mrs Smiff, I forgot to ask where you bought the DHEA and how many mg you took per day? Thanks

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Wednesday, August 13th 2008, 10:21pm

Sorry to keep on bounding messages back. I just found a couple of medical sites that sell them and it says not to take them if under 40. I'm 35 so I'm not sure what to do now. However, from what I can gather, DHEA has an inverse effect on cortisol and my cortisol levels are generally sky high so I feel it may be very beneficial. What do you think?

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Thursday, August 14th 2008, 10:36am

Hi Kate,

I can't answer your question, sorry - but I just wanted to say how much I'm enjoying following this discussion and thanks everyone for the useful and interesting info. :xxx3:


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Saturday, October 4th 2008, 3:05pm

RE: Egg Quality cant be changed?!!!!???

Hi, Did you get pregnant? I'm having issues with my quality as well. I've conceived 4 times, 3 ending up in miscarriage & 1 a tubal. Very frustrating! I'm seeing a fertility dr but the clomid hasn't really helped. I only developed 1, sometimes 2, egg follicles, & the 2 IUI's didn't help, either. Each time I've conceived it's been natural, but my body can't seem to hold on to it, & each time I'm told, "Oh, it was most likely at time of conception, either a bad egg or bad embryo." I'm sorry, but I need more of an answer than that! I'm now 39 years old & my husband & I are still childless. :bawl: I just recently changed my eating habits & am eating a lot more fruits & veggies, especially blueberries & spinach & broccoli. Hopefully that will help. My question to you is, did you end up going with acupuncture & did it help? I'm just so frustrated & it seems like I'm really running out of options, except for either adoption or a donor, but I want our baby to come from ME, you know?? Any advice you can give me will be so much appreciated! Hope to hear back from you soon. :smile:
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Saturday, October 4th 2008, 3:16pm

Welcome to :FZ: Wanaka

I am so very sorry for your losses.

I can't help with your question but I wanted to say hello and welcome.

I just wondered if you'd like to you can introduce yourself in the Newbies section where I am certain you'll get a wonderful welcome and loads of advice and support.

Wishing you all the luck in the world with your TTC journey.

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Saturday, October 4th 2008, 9:31pm

RE: Egg Quality cant be changed?!!!!???

Wanaka

Just wanted to say hello and welcome, I wanted you know that I understand what you are going through. A lot of people say I can understand but they don't really know what you go through every day.

I have had 7 BFP and still no babies, these BFP's rsesulted in 3 ectopics and 4 m/c's so wanted to say hello to someone a similar position.

I am about to start my 3rd IVF this month so here goes..........

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Sunday, October 5th 2008, 10:47am

Kim and Wanaka, my heart goes out to both of you. I admire you both for still being so strong and not giving up the fight.
We will all be a mummy one day. :angel2: xxx
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