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Wednesday, January 10th 2007, 5:20pm

IMPROVING EGG QUALITY

At our followup consultation the Cons said my eggs were small and dark. However he said they were good enough for ICSI and they did all fertilise (but we didn't get our +). Does anyone know where I can find info on egg quality, what it means, how I could improve them? I found some info on the supplement DHEA - does anyone know anything about it?
Sorry lots of questions, am having egg panic!!
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Wednesday, January 10th 2007, 5:33pm

My clinic insisted on me drinkng 1 litre of milk a day to improve egg quality....apparantly its the quickest and easiest way of absorbing protein into the body. Any cows milk will do...if you have it as hot choc tho make sure that you dont bring the milk to boiling point as that alters the protein structure.

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Oh I was 43 and had 13 eggs harvested of which 8 were mature and all 8 fertilised so there may be something in it!!!!




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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 12:10pm

RE: Egg quality

Hi Peanut,

Sorry I can't give you any advise but I hope you find some answers soon. Tinkerbell, that's really interesting! I'll be drinking more milk then :]

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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 12:39pm

hmmm - well I was told by my consultant that my egg quality was crap
we had ICSI because my eggs were too poor for IVF

they collected many (30+) each time around but a lot of them were fragmented, had vacuoles (holes) or were just so fragile they disintegrated

also my FSH levels were high for my age which they said had something to cause the crap eggs - ie my ovaries were getting old, and so were the eggs

I too drank at least a litre of milk every day for a month before even down regging, then living the life of a saint before and until the BFNs but it made naff all difference.

my consultant actually told us at the second BFN to consider stopping IVF as it was unlikely that we would conceive because my eggs were so bad. you can imagine how that made me feel.

I think my eggs were due to the drugs - I had trouble responding and growing the eggs during the first round of IVF/ICSI so they mid-cycle upped the dosage and then started me on a higher dosage for the second one. since then I've found out that high dosages of the drugs can damage egg quality and that "natural" IVF works a lot better although you dont get "spare" eggs and so it costs a lot more money.

and I got pregnant "naturally" so my eggs cant have been all that crap!

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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 2:49pm

peanut- the only info i can give is..
i had a neg icsi in may i had 21 eggs shared them with recipient so i had 11 , 9 of mine were mature 8 fert... i was told at my follow up that to take metformin next treatment as there is evidence of better quality of eggs and embryos also helps with stopping mc too .. doctors do recomend this to ladies with pcos /pco as some tend to have slight imature eggs and poor quality embryos due to the condition ...
im on metformin now i asked for it straight away and have been on it since aug..
my icsi did go well the con really thought i get preg as everything seemed fine so put it down to the quality of eggs/embryos as i could not even freeze any X(

i dont know your history of infertility so not sure if my info is relevent,
but im sure more girls will give you more info ..

hope to speak to you soon

luv kitty xx
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nhs notts
2 clomid 50mg/100mg
2 iui /injections
private @ NURTURE oct 05 pco
icsi e/s april 06 may
nhs- derby. nhs no icsi now cause paid for a cycle .. :tear:
saving for icsi 2007 .../
august 06 metformin
nov/dec met/clomid , 50mg progesterone 55.1
dec/jan met/ clomid 100mg
jan/feb 07 met / clomid 100mg /iui
scan day 14 of cycle 12mm
scan day 17 of cycle 14mm
scan day 20 of cycle 2 follies 15mm/19mm
12th feb iui day 22 neg
march iui neg
april abandoned follicles not growing ;(

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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 2:51pm

ps .. i do have a letter from my con saying there is evidence of better quality egg/embryos ...

so proof on paper from him .x
ttc 11yrs + :tear:
nhs notts
2 clomid 50mg/100mg
2 iui /injections
private @ NURTURE oct 05 pco
icsi e/s april 06 may
nhs- derby. nhs no icsi now cause paid for a cycle .. :tear:
saving for icsi 2007 .../
august 06 metformin
nov/dec met/clomid , 50mg progesterone 55.1
dec/jan met/ clomid 100mg
jan/feb 07 met / clomid 100mg /iui
scan day 14 of cycle 12mm
scan day 17 of cycle 14mm
scan day 20 of cycle 2 follies 15mm/19mm
12th feb iui day 22 neg
march iui neg
april abandoned follicles not growing ;(

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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 3:10pm

Thanks everyone for your replies, it's a tricky one.

Thanks for the luck Tinkerbell, I think we were at the same clinic - I was told 2 litres water, 1 litre milk. You give me loads of hope.

Sunshine - Congratulations to you for your Christmas news - wow! Hope everything goes smoothly for you. I wondered about high doses of stims - I was on 600 gonal F, and only then produced 6 eggs. My fsh levels haven't been bad, last one was 8.2. I am 40 so my eggs could be struggling, or maybe I've never had great eggs. Our problems are also:- DP swimmers are a bit low/slow so need to do IUI/IVF, and I have high NK cells. I am doing a complete detox and will carry on being healthy until next treatment, also doing acupuncture. And i'll start on the milk earlier. I don't really know what else I can do.

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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 3:17pm

Hi Kitty,
Thanks for your info. I don't have pco/pcos, don't know if they would prescribe metformin to me. I might ask the clinic anyhow - worth a try!

Good luck with your IUI appointment. Hope it all goes well.
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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 3:42pm

yeah hun worth a try .. or you can do some research on the drug..
who can be given it ..and then you can barter wiv doc .. lol..

swimmers peanut is he taking anything to improve his [zx151] if not he ought to try xx


thanks for the luck hun xxx kitty
ttc 11yrs + :tear:
nhs notts
2 clomid 50mg/100mg
2 iui /injections
private @ NURTURE oct 05 pco
icsi e/s april 06 may
nhs- derby. nhs no icsi now cause paid for a cycle .. :tear:
saving for icsi 2007 .../
august 06 metformin
nov/dec met/clomid , 50mg progesterone 55.1
dec/jan met/ clomid 100mg
jan/feb 07 met / clomid 100mg /iui
scan day 14 of cycle 12mm
scan day 17 of cycle 14mm
scan day 20 of cycle 2 follies 15mm/19mm
12th feb iui day 22 neg
march iui neg
april abandoned follicles not growing ;(

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Thursday, January 11th 2007, 4:45pm

DP is on vits and zinc, eating lots of pumpkin seeds and nuts. Also not having hot baths and getting too hot. xx

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Saturday, January 13th 2007, 2:04pm

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Thanks for the luck Tinkerbell, I think we were at the same clinic - I was told 2 litres water, 1 litre milk. You give me loads of hope.

[zx076]


THey had me on 4 litres or water and 1 litre of milk so think yourself lucky....I also followed a fertility diet too....all food was organic, no meat only fish.....no wheat etc etc ......

Oh and I had acu at a really good clinic just round the corner from them which specialises in acu for IVF ...they understand all the treatment protocols of the ARGC and work to them......they were VERY good and evidence suggests that my reaction to the drugs imprved considerably with the treatment...ie after first sesssion they reduced my drugs by half.......that reaction levelled out so that my drugs were ultimately reduced by 25%.....my follies took a distinct growth spurt too.......pretty damn good tho!!!


AM keeping my fingers crossed for you hon

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Sunday, January 14th 2007, 1:49pm

I had acu at a really good clinic just round the corner from them which specialises in acu for IVF ...they understand all the treatment protocols of the ARGC

Just wondering which acupunture clinic you went to? I am at one not too far away, wonder if it's the same place.

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Sunday, January 14th 2007, 1:50pm

Can't work out how to do the quotes thing!! The top line was your quote Tinkerbell
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Monday, January 15th 2007, 8:36am

http://www.londonacupuncture.co.uk/


This is the one I went to ............tis on Harley street tho they have other clinics too

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Monday, January 15th 2007, 4:02pm

Thanks Tinkerbell. I'll take a look. xx

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Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 3:45pm

RE: Egg quality

hi girls,
i think the milk consumption is also to do with prevention of osteoporosis after having all the down reg drugs.
Mind you I did do it and I ahte milk to drink so I made milky porridge for breakfast in the winter, cereals in the summer and milk sahkes and ended the evening with the glorious hot chocolate, who need an excuse....

It is interesting though that different clinics give different advise to each and every patient.

If you looked at the BBC website around the time of "A child against all odds" the experts gave a small talk that you could click on and Mr Sam Abdulla of the Lister Fertility Clinic gave a very good discussion on how to test and decide on the quality of eggs.
He does a blood test on day 3 on your cycle to assess the FSH, E2(oestradiol) levels and this will tell the quality and amount of eggs available and whether or not it is practical to continue with stimulation at an older age or to go for egg donation/recipient programmes.

I believe also that there are kits available on the market that test for the quality of the egg and in the newspaper today, but I am not sure which one, there is a report stating that younger ladies are having poorer quality eggs and approaching the menopause alot earlier.

Sorry if this is all confusing. I will ask a few of my gynaecologist/obstetricians at work tonight if they know anything else that may help whilst I am helping a mum to deliver.

Hoe this may help
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Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 3:49pm

P.S.
Zita West does a very good clinic and advice to promote the pre-conceptive period and there are now clinics initiated by Mike Dooleys book " fit for fertility" which has some very good tips for both men and women to boost theirnatural fertility and success with artificial/assisted conception techniques.

Had a blonde moment and lost my train of thought.
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Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 3:57pm

Thanks for the info Dee.
My FSH levels weren't too bad, 8.2, so they thought I would respond well, but my body tricked them! i am currently detoxing (under guidance) and then carrying on for another 2 months with no sugar, caffeine, alchol etc - eating loads of nuts, seeds, protein, veg and fruit. I have the Zita West book which is brilliant and really helped me through our first IVF.

Good luck tonight with the delivery, what a wonderful job that must be.
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Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 4:19pm

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Zita West does a very good clinic and advice to promote the pre-conceptive period Dee


SHe also does an excellent book which is a fraction of the price and just as good...you can even order it into the library!!!!


I went to her but found her prices rather rich (£125 6 years ago) and quite frankly got just as much from the book


Edited to say.....oops just saw post above on book



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Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 6:42pm

Yeh, i thought the same about hte price. xx

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Sunday, January 21st 2007, 11:11am

Hi Tinkerbell,
Thanks for the remider...
I know about the book, just forgot it. I also use it for all my pregnant mums at clinic.
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Pleasure hon!!




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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 10:34am

How Do You Improve Egg / Sperm Quality?

Hi
Just wondering if anyone knew how to improve egg / sperm quality.
Milk / OJ / Whey Protein / Water ??
Any special diet to be adopted or foods to eat everyday??
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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 11:07am

As daft as it sounds, when we first started tx, DH read somewhere that hetchp is good for swimmers. It was something to do with the vitamins etc in it!

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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 11:19am

I think something is good for swimmers in cooked tomato skin.

our embies developed slow and by day 5 we had only 3 blasts out of 13 and they weren’t top grade so i cant help but think something was lacking in my eggs (could be dhs sperm too).

I have been reading like a nutter - can anyone agree or disagree with the info below or tell me if I or DH should be eating or not eating the below

Switching to brown rice / bread and pasta.
High Protein diets - to include whey protein with no soy and L'Arginine ideally.
Orange Juice
Full Fat Milk
No Alcohol
Probably a cup of coffee for DH as the studies are conflicting and none for me!
No alcohol or sweeties
Really try to get that 5 a day fruit/veg in for both of us….

i think maybe start dh on ProXeed® Plus or we should both start taking FertilAid – anyone know which is better?!?

I know it sounds like I am going over the top. But I just want the next icsi to work or better still hope for a miracle! I hate feeling like I am now and I just want to make every effort not to feel like this again.
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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 12:15pm

hiya

to help with dh's sperm, he cut out coffee, drank decaf tea, drank more water, cut the booze out, took wellman and l arginie supplements. We also bought a smoothie maker, and did alot of fruit smoothies, the BBC did a programme, and got men to drink fruit smoothies, i think twice a day, for a few motnhs, and think it did help, somewhere on this site, there is a link for the recipes, but i think any smoothies with alot of fruit in would be fine!....also, as he sits down at work all day, he wore looser trousers!!!!!!!!

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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 12:55pm

Patty - I tried taking agnus vitex castus, and having once a week reflexology & body massages.

The first regulates your cycle and both are meant to help reduce FSH - the first chemically, and the second by reducing stress levels which reduce FSH levels.

FSH levels can be an indicator of egg quality.

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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 1:48pm

I'm taking Royal jelly for my egg quality and EWCM, it seems to work for me. They say that its like a reproductive tonic, queen bees eat it and they lay eggs for 6 years! I don't know if thats all a load of rubbish, but its natural and I only take a small amount daily in honey, so it can't do any harm.


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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 2:57pm

I tried that once - I used to have really painful periods (now found out it must have been endo) but I found that royal jelly made the symptoms worse :(

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Saturday, April 14th 2007, 3:11pm

I tried to find some info on this when I was preparing for this cycle, couldn't really come up with much on the net so went to see a nutritionist. she recommended a really high protein diet -

protein with every meal - eggs, nuts and seeds (mixture), fish, chicken, lamb, lentils, chickpeas.
try to have a mid morning and mid pm snack of a handful of nuts and a piece of fruit everyday (helps with sugar cravings as keep insulin levels steady) or an oatcake with nut butter (not peanut - can't remember why - allergy?) and a piece of fruit.
5 a day fruit and veg, more if poss.
Cut out processed food if poss.
try to eat food as near to it's natural state as possible - 'cave man' food she called it
Drink loads of water, cut down on caffeine and alcohol and sugar
lots of brown rice (basmati is good)

I also took Emilia's advice and took spirulina powder every morning.
and Karka said she ate loads of brazil nuts and dried apricots, so did that too.
All sounds a bit hardcore but was easy once I got my head round it.
Good luck for next time round.
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Monday, April 16th 2007, 8:48am

RE: How Do You Improve Egg / Sperm Quality?

hello

Zinc is the main mineral required for sperm reproduction, hugely important. Your other half should be taking this daily. It would be good for you to get yourself a good Pre-natal multivitamin and mineral and you too could take zinc.

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Monday, April 16th 2007, 8:53am

sugest you get Zita Wests book Fertility and Conception...either buy or loan from library..it was top advice on diet etc....also my clinic insisted on 1 litre of milk a day for egg quality.......




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Monday, April 16th 2007, 2:14pm

Forgot to say, for my DH, foodwise I forcefed him nuts and seeds - esp. pumpkin, sposed to be full of zinc and selenium. xxxxx

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Friday, April 27th 2007, 5:49pm

Egg Quality cant be changed?!!!!???

I spoke to a nice acupuncturist man today and asked him about acupuncture to improve egg quality – he said that we are born with our eggs (true I know) and that whatever we have that’s it and no one can change the quality of them and the only thing acupuncture can do is to try to prevent some of the IVF drugs stripping away more quality away. Is this true? Zita West recommends protein to help egg quality and Zinc- who is right?!
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Friday, April 27th 2007, 6:00pm

Hun
Not sure about that - I started accupuncture purely to improve my egg quality. My first ISCI gave me 20 eggs, 2 transferred none frozen. After having accupuncture ( for about 3 months before treatment ) I had 27 eggs, 2 transferred and 8 frozen AND a BFP.
Much more succesful this time round - and the only changes were the accupuncture and taking aspirin.
My accu lady did specialise in fertility issues though hun and followed a dutch I think or German technique re using Accupuncture with IVF

Hope this helps hun

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Hi PP - I don't think he's right. I had an OST which suggested my egg quality wasn't great but when I had my cycle after having full IVF protocol acupuncture the embryologist said I had the eggs of a 20 year old - top quality. I'm 36.

I know acupuncture improved my egg quality as well as doing many other things that helped me get my BFP. I would ask another acupuncturist for a second opinion. I don't think it's worth going with someone who has such a negative approach to this.

Another tip for egg quality is making sure you get enough protein every day. Spirulina powder has the highest protein content out of any food source and also has numerous other benefits. I had 1-2 teaspoons of spirulina powder every day during stimming and until EC. It has a far superior protein content than milk and is digested far more easily. But amke sure you get powdered and not tablets. Most health shops sell it or try online.

If you need to find an acuopuncturist in your area I have the register from the British Acu Council so drop me a pm and I'll look them up for you.
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Saturday, April 28th 2007, 1:50pm

Personally I think he is right, but that is just my opinion.

During my IVF treatments I got such bad egg quality that (a) I got OHSS (mild-severe) on both occasions (b) the eggs were so fragile that we had to go ICSI to give fertilisation the best chance (c) a lot of the eggs had holes in them or were broken / split when retrieved (d) the consultant told me it was unlikely I would be able to have my own children genetically and to stop treatment.

I did.

And I got pregnant, twice, naturally. So my eggs cant have been that bad, naturally. My infertility turned out to be endometrititus (sp?) that blocked my tubes - unblocking happened during the m/c. And the rest was removed surgically during my c-section.

I believe that the drugs I got during IVF/ICSI treatment damaged the eggs I had.

So, to repeat, I agree with your accupuncturist. He's saying it can't hurt, and will help during the process to protect the eggs, but it cant actually make the eggs better - which makes sense to me.

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Monday, April 30th 2007, 2:45am

I'm not sure (having read all of these posts) but I met with my consultant last week and we were talking about egg quality....she said that if you have recently had a baby..then the quality of your eggs improves....which doesn't tally with his comment that what you have when you are born is final ?

I am a big fan of acupunture...so I think you are doing the right thing....




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Thursday, May 3rd 2007, 11:44pm

Re Acupuncture and egg quality - true you are born with your total potential of eggs in their precursor or immature form in the ovaries - and any genetic problem in those eggs cannot be changed.

However what helps to make good, potential eggs into good mature eggs, that can be fertilised and develop into good embryos and babies, is the environment in the follicles (the bubbles of fluid on the ovaries that contain the eggs, and that grow during the pre-ovulatory phase of the cycle). These follicles contain hormones and many other chemicals which help egg growth and maturation.

The quality of follicles and hence of eggs can be improved I believe by lots of approaches including dietary, acupuncture, hypnotherapy (which I use), improved blood flow to ovaries; and damaged by many things including (for some people, in some cycles) the very drugs used in IUI, IVF etc to stimulate ovulation.

So there is always room for improvement or sadly for problems in eggs in any cycle, natural or otherwise. So don't despair if you get a bad response in an IVF IUI or clomid cycle - next time can be better.
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Friday, May 4th 2007, 11:15pm

I never knew the quality of my eggs (obviously) until I started IVF, and during stimming I have always ate loads of nuts, eggs and peanut butter and my egg quality has been great even though I ended up with have 1 brief BFP out of 4 cycles.

I will be trying accu though next time round smile2
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Thanks everyone and thank you paul, very useful info.
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Tuesday, May 8th 2007, 12:27pm

I was told to have a good protein diet as this improves your eggs. I knew that my follicles where very small but once i changed my diet they improved so much I ended up with good size blastocysts. Maybe that was just by chance but I believe that diets have a great impact on your eggs. They also told me that there has been a lot of research on acupunture, it really helps with IVF.

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Poor Egg Quality

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I've just been for my follow up apppointment after my BFN and the doctor has said that although I reacted really well to the drugs and they managed to get 20 eggs the eggs were of poor quality so thats prob why it didn't work. She said upping the drugs wouldn't make a difference next time and she said if i were a bit older they would expect poorer quality eggs but as i don't smoke and gave up drinking they didn't know why. She said they could be better next time or they could be worse. I asked if there was anything that i could do to improve there quality but she said there was nothing. Just wondered if anyone else had any ideas i.e. good foods or stuff?


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Wednesday, May 9th 2007, 6:58pm

Hi Looby

I'm sorry to hear your news - thats exactly what you don't want to hear!

I've been looking into improving egg quality myself and there seem to be 3 options (all of which I'm guessing are myths but hey no smoke without fire!)

1) A litre of milk a day. Protein basically to improve the structure. The logic makes sense to me so I'm defintely doing that one! I read on a nutrition web site that our immature eggs are there from birth but it takes 3 months for them to develop into the larger eggs that are being released so in theory you'd need 3 months for it to take affect. Same for the men I suppose.

2) Accupunture. Seems to be uncertainty on this one. Some swear by it but not all for egg quality so could be a myth - I'll let the experienced debate that one!

3) Vitamins like Pregnacare. May take three months to have an affect on egg quality but woiuld help straight away in other areas. Nothing to loose with this one so I'm doing that one too.

Seems a bit daft but I have enough needles going in me already with accupuncture!


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Wednesday, May 9th 2007, 7:02pm

I read somewhere on here that a girl took - omega 3,6, and 9 and 1000mg of flaxseed oil every day during stimms along with dried apricots to help the eggs quality - she got a BFP so I have started to do that!! I figure anything is worth a try!! Afterall - oils like those help your connective tissues and brain (and I need lots of help with my brain) ;)!!
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 3:50pm

How does drinking milk increase egg quality?

Can someone answer me this. If we are born with all the ggs we will ever need already inside us, how can drinking milk affect their quality? As far as I can understand it, there is nothing you can do to make them better, only worse. They obviously degrade over time, just like the rest of the cells in our body, but is there really a way of making them stronger?

I know evidence shows that women who drink x amount of low fat milk and eat low fat dairy products ovulate less than women who regularly drink x amount of full fat milk, but I don't think this relates to the quality of the eggs, only whether or not the body releases them.

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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 4:21pm

To be honest i dont believe in drinking milk makes any difference BUT i say this as someone who hates milk lol. I have had 9 IVF cycles and nothing i did made a difference really, i was lucky enough to always get good eggs, once cycle i did everything like drink milk (in milkshake form!) cut out sweets etc, did accupuncture and i had the worst cycle ever, i only got to transfer 1 embryo and that was awful quality. Next cycle i went back to doing my normal thing and got 10 high quality embryos!
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 5:57pm

i too hate milk but did try and drink a glass last time

i think it does nothing to be honest, maybe makes us feel like we are doing something

i have heard of all sort of things brazil nuts pinapple etc etc, i think if any of it were true the cons would tell me

milk and water i believe to help with ohss though
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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 7:36pm

I asked my clinic the same thng and they said there is no evidence and is unlikley to make any difference at all but its a healthy thing to have in moderation regardless.

Personally I've never hd a glass of milk in my life and prob won't be starting now with the lack of evidence but I will prob try and have a yoghurt each day and there calcium in my multi vit for what its worth ;)

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Sunday, September 16th 2007, 7:44pm

I had understood that somehow it was more for building up a good quality womb lining than affecting the eggs (otherwise why would we all do it on FET cycles?). Having said that, I don't know the scientific reasoning behind it (something I always like to know), so I suspect it's mostly to do with what Kara says - that we feel we're doing something helpful.




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