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Wednesday, December 16th 2009, 11:00pm

We both have fertility issues

Ok so here is our situation! I have pcos and endometriosis, and we have just found out to add to all this that my other half has a low sperm count of 10 million per ml. Really what are our chances, i would like reality please as lots of other sites just say yeh yeh hang in there heres some baby dust blah blah blah! I need to be realistic now. So can someone please shed some light on this situation for us. We are struggling at the moment to come to terms with this. Also is IVF our only option here? Thanks for reading x ?( ;(



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Wednesday, December 16th 2009, 11:06pm

Hi and welcome

I hope you like it on here, we have very friendly and supportive members that are sure to make your TTC journey that little bit easier, I hope you feel right at home with us all soon. I hope that you find the site a wealth of information, you certainly will get 'real' answers from our members.

To start off with, here are some links that you may find useful.

There is an abbreviations section HERE so you know what we're all going on about.

There is an IVF/ICSI section HERE with a FAQ section HERE where you will find a great introduction to IVF/ICSI.

There is a male factor section HERE there is loads of information here, plus there are others there that know what you're going through.

There is a Male Factor FAQ section HERE which give loads of information about male fertility, tests and helpful tips too.

There is a thread, Life in the lab – for all your sperm questions HERE where you can ask for advice. If you have your husband's results, pop in to here with them.

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Thursday, December 17th 2009, 8:20am

Hi Rose,

I don't think anyone will be able to put a number on your chances. As you have some sperm, (that seems alot to me, we have none so far) there is always the possibility of conceiving naturally. It only takes one after all. With your PCOS do you know if you ovulate? If you do, then again you could concieve naturally it just may take much longer. I am assuming from your log in you are 26ish so you have time on your side smile2 If you don't ovulate then there are lots of options before IVF, such as clomid/metformin, weightloss if you are over weight, ovarian drilling. I can't comment on the Endo though as it's not something I know about but I'm sure there are ladies on here who have concieved naturally with endo.

So yes there is hope, however I would expect it may take much longer than a super fertile couple. Have you been referred to a fertility clinic? They are best placed to give you the answer you want as they will have all the facts.


(NB this is just my opinion from my experiences of sperm counts and PCOS to date there are better qualified people than me to answer your question than me)
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Friday, December 18th 2009, 9:40am

Hi, You'll get babydust here too - usually posted with some excellent information alongside. I've found out stuff on here that no mere average mortal could be aware of! You just have to look at threads or ask ;-)

I can't respond personally about the endo, but I know other ladies who have been successful on here. I CAN respond about the male factor though. If they prepare the sperm once collected, ignoring the ones with abnormal morphology (is that a factor for your DH too?) and finding the ones that are better swimmers, you can have a fighting chance. I now know that some clinics do ICSI, which injects the sperm directly into the egg. There is a greater cost for this, so if you are NHS then you might have to push for it or they may suggest it. It all depends on your personal circumstances and what the sperm is like on the day.

We were NHS first time and our clinic gave us standard IVF and it only resulted in one less than satisfactory embryo out of 7 good eggs collected. This last attempt (ICSI) they collected 3 eggs and 2 embryo's resulted. But there are some concerns over ICSI, so if you do go down that route you need to be aware. Paul Entwistle is expert on fertility on this site. He may even respond to this thread - hopefully providing more information than I can too.

Good luck to you.

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Friday, December 18th 2009, 10:18am

Hi Rose, A big welcome to FZ!

My DH and I both had problems too - DH's count was fine, but he only had 4% normal forms and many of these were immotile (or as we liked to describe it lying back in their deck chairs with their pina coladas :snigger:). I was discovered to have uterine polyps, endometriosis and adhesions causing my uterus to stick to my pelvic wall, on top of that a raised FSH level which indicated a declinig egg reserve. I didn't have pcos though.

We were told by our consultant that our chances of conceiving naturally were not impossible - but significantly reduced due to all the different factors. We weren't keen on any invasive forms of treatment so we left things for a while and just went about life as normal. 4 years passed and we decided that actually, we could be waiting around forever for a small chance of concieving naturally, the limbo was killing us especially when everyone else around seemed to be getting pregnant at the drop of a hat. So we took our consultants advice and had an attempt at IVF with ICSI - we were lucky that in our area that we coud have one NHS funded cycle. For us it was a huge decision - but now, one we are so glad we took. We had left things to chance for long enough.

You and your DH need to weigh up all the factors involved - of course you could conceive naturally, it's not impossible, you hear stories all the time about those lucky couples who thought it could never happen. IVF probably isn't your only option - but it's the one that carries the biggest chance of success given all the factors involved. Before you make that decision though, your endo can be treated, your PCOS investigated, your ovulation monitored, maybe IUI could be an option, alternative therapies such as accupuncture and hypnotherapy are widely used and some vitamin supplements. Some couples undergo a complete dietary overhall, lose weight... there are plenty of things to try.

First step, if you haven't already done so would be to get yourselves referred to a good fertility specialist and discuss all options available to you. My advice would be to keep an open mind and take each day as it comes. It's such an unpredictable journey - but one with hope - and that is why we're all here!

Wishing you all the luck in the world :xxx3:


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