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Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 5:16pm

Endo on Bowels

Hi ladies

Just after some advice really, I am due to go in for my 5th lap on 21/10/09 as I think my endo has retruned this time around my bowel, as I have been having some very bad pain, constipation and opposite around af, My consultanat suggested another lap to have a look around. My only concern is when looking on the net ( i know you shouldn't :innocent:) many sites say that if they are looking around the bowel you need to have the relevant bowel prep the day before to clear yourself out so to speak.

I had this a couple of months ago when I went in for a colonoscopy as I had also had a little blood in my stools and they wanted to rule anything out ( came back all clear) this is another reason why they think it may be endo related.

well after my babbling what I am really wondering is when I go for my pre op tomorrow? should I ask if this is needed, If it has just been overlooked? or is there no need for it?

If anyone has any thoughts it would be great

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Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 5:58pm

I'm not sure hun I think i would just ask them tomorrow if they don't mention it
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Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 6:08pm

If you are just having a lap to look around, it is unlikely that they would prepare the bowel. My surgeon was quite reluctant to operate on my endo as it involved my bowels. But I think endo specialists may not shy away from removing endo from bowel. I think it might be worth finding out what they are planning to do if they do find endo on bowel.

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Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 6:18pm

Hi Gayle, I would ask tomorrow. I know when I had my endo removed from my bladder and other sugery around there they made me take a laxative the day before so my bowels were cleared out. It is alot safer that way they told me. Good luck! x

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Wednesday, September 16th 2009, 12:51pm

Hey hun.. In my experience they will have it waiting for you 2moro ... lucky you!! Even though your just having a lap I would be very surprised if they don't give it to you just in case they manage to nick your bowel which if not prepped could cause a lot of problems which I'm sure your well aware of. I would mention it at your appointment even if they don't they will tell you for definate whether you need it.


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Wednesday, September 16th 2009, 1:55pm

Thanks ladies, they did my pre op over the phone fpr me this morning ( very odd I say) but as they said there was no history of problems they were happy tp do that. The nurse said as they were going in laparoscopically through the abdomen there was no need to bowel prep! Thank goodness I say!

Well 5 weeks today and counting,

Thank you all for taking the time to reply for me, as always so very much appreciated :D
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Wednesday, September 16th 2009, 7:14pm

Good luck with your lap Gayle :D

When I had my lap a few weeks ago they were looking for endo on my bowel, and as you did, I had a colonoscopy 2 days prior to my lap. Because at my lap they thought they were going to find endo on my bowel, the bowel specialist was present at my lap. Luckerly for me I had no endo on my bowel, although they did find that I had stage 3 endo on my bladder which had stuck to my uterus of which he managed to free 70% of it. I didnt have to have the solution to clean out my bowel prior to my lap even though they looked at my bowel

I hope everything goes ok fo you :smile:
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Wednesday, September 16th 2009, 7:29pm

Wow thats different having pre-op on the phone? Do you not need to have xrays and ECG's and bloods done before you have an op or is that just me with my long medical history?

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Wednesday, September 16th 2009, 7:49pm

Hi Gayle,

Hope everything goes well for you next month. I had endo on my bowel and had it removed with a lap in July. I didn't need to do anything special to prep for it, but you'll probably be given co-codamol to take afterwards. One of the side effects is that it slows everything down, so if you don't need it for the pain after a couple of days, think about coming off it. I found it very painful when I was straining (sorry if TMI!) in the few days after the op until the tablets got out of my system and I needed to eat a lot of fruit to get things moving again.

Be aware that it does take a couple of weeks for your bowel to return to normal and try not to push too hard when you're on the loo as it will hurt and feel like you've been kicked in the guts. It's not THAT bad, just be aware of it!

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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 8:37am

I 2nd Froggie on that one. I didn't go to the toilet for a "no2" for about 4 days, and I was in agony with it.... Didn't know what to do with myself. Was the biggest relief ever when I finally did :snigger:

Nic - probably your long medical history with xrays etc, because I don't think I did either. Just a bloods/height/weight and questions :smile:
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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 8:41am

Yeh with bowel surgery you will find it very difficult when needing the loo again after. Obviously with them not doing much if anything to your bowel you shouldn't be too bad but I know when I had my bowel resection done I spent 48 hours without being able to eat anything and then when I was allowed to eat it was a further 2 days before anything moved and because of the painkillers everything was really slow again anyway.

Good luck hun.

Amy- I assumed everyone had the same thing, lol o well .. i do like being special :D haha

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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 9:33am

Thanks Ladies

Nic its probably with your long medical history ye as they only discussed family medical history, height, weight etc.

Well with all my problem down there :rolleyes: not going to the toilet for a couple of days is the norm, I have been known to go a week!!"!!!!

as you can imagine the lower back pain ets is agony, thats why I am hoping they see soemthing that will help

Fingers crossed, thanks again all, will keep you posted
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Monday, October 12th 2009, 5:05pm

How you doing Gayle hun?

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Monday, October 12th 2009, 5:17pm

Hi Nic, Im fine thanks, my Lap is next Wednesday, Im a littel apprehensive as I hate aneasthetic but being my 5th Im a little used to it lol!
Just hoping they find something and can give me some answers

Fingers crossed eh, Thanks again for asking
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Thursday, October 22nd 2009, 4:46pm

Hey hun how did it go yesterday? Sorry I've only just read this! I really need to keep up! lol. Hope all went well. Thinking of you

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Monday, October 26th 2009, 12:20pm

Hi LAdies,

Well Lap went as well as can be expected,Only he didnt seem to find any endo around my bowel, so no answers to my bowel symptoms :sadface: maybe thats just IBS something else to contend with X(
He did see that my left ovary was attached to y tube which he seperated and cortazoned some adhesions and endo. He didnt find loads, made me feel a bit of a wimp really but I have read that the degree of endo doesnt always match the degree of pain? Hope thats the case and Im not justa winp :innocent:

Fingers crossed this works, if not then I think I am going to ask for a Hysterctomy, I did mention it to him and he wasnt in favour as he knows how much DH and I want a family, but after much heartfelt talking DH and I have come to realise that its probably never going to happen, we certainly will never have TX again, and m,aybe this will help us deal with it finally

I hope I dont offend anyone when I say that we have drawn the line on TX many many months ago and need to move on whatever way ios best for us

Anyway fingers crossed It doesnt come back and I never have to go down that route

Thanks again ladies for youe concern and support

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Monday, October 26th 2009, 12:26pm

Hi Gayle, I've also heard that the amount of endo doesn't always match the pain. You're most definitely not being a wimp! Glad the lap is over and done with and they cleared up any bits they did find. I hope the next few months (and beyond) are pain free for you.
Strange about the bowel, it would have been nice to know a reason for the pain around there but at least you can rule out endo which is a start. Have you seen a dietician as they may be able to put you on different diets, avoiding certain foodstuffs, to see if you have an allergy? I have a couple of friends with bowel problems and they have found certain diets very helpful. All the best x

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Tuesday, October 27th 2009, 6:06pm

Hi Gayle,

No you're not a wimp! Endo severity and pain levels don't necessarily go together.

My consultant thought I'd been downplaying my pain levels as my endo is severe (he actually recommended a hysterectomy) but I only rarely get pain. He now thinks it is because my endo stops me ovulating that I don't get severe pain...

Mine does seem to be mostly linked to bowel movements these days so I make sure I keep it all moving! (sorry TMI!)

Hope you're recovering well.

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