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Thursday, March 26th 2009, 7:32pm

How's my sperm look?

Hi Folks;

It's my first post - be gentle with me :innocent:

Greetings to all!

OK; I'm 39 and the DW is 33, we've been TTC for over 3 years and it's just not happening for us so we have recently decided to take the plunge and seek advice of an ACU.

I already have a son with my ex who is now 7 so we are unable to have any treatment on the NHS (not fair that IMHO as he is not my DW's son and does not live with us - it's not like having your own really is it)!

A year ago we had the basic tests the NHS would provide, DW had bloods, pelvic U/S, HSG all were reported as normal.

I had bloods & SA, bloods included CF and chromosome tests.

My 1st SA came back quite poor (oligo-teratospermia) and I told the NHS registrar that I already have a son so would it have degraded that much in 6 yrs and the Registrar didn't give a direct answer but just said "Many Men think that they are the biological father of their children but this is not often the case". That was a very blunt statement and left me a bit shocked to be honest.

We decided to not take that one test as representative of me being "a Jaffa" and had a repeat SA which took quite some time to repeat.

Prior to the 1st SA I'd had flu about 6 weeks before and the repeat SA 13 weeks later was better but I'm still unclear on what is considered as OK.

The results were reported by letter only and not a full SA report, as follows:-

Concentration:- 69 million per ml
Motility:- 60%
Abnormal Forms:- 94%

We were told this is "normal" but I'm a little concerned about the abnormal forms, it sounds very high especially after reading our collection of infertility books :smile:

We have our 1st consultant appointment tomorrow and they will be doing a repeat SA next week and therefore it would be nice to know in advance what the figures mean.

Any advice would be much appreciated and i look forward to chatting with you all as we start our journey.

Best rgds,
Chap, 39 yrs young :)

Been TTC with DW for over 3 yrs with no success, just starting down the AC road.



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Thursday, March 26th 2009, 7:50pm

Welcome Paul, always good to have a chap amongst us women :D

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Thursday, March 26th 2009, 8:00pm

Hello to you both, and welcome to FZ.

Putting aside the crass remarks from the Registrar, it is always dangerous to judge from just one semen sample - as you have demonstrated. And even had the first specimen been telling the full story, lots of men conceive children despite their sperm problems, if their partner is sufficiently fertile, and they are lucky. However it is easier to get a poorer specimen by accident than a better one, so it is this latter, better specimen that I will talk about.

The information you have is very basic, but seems to be saying that you have a good sperm concentration, although a knowledge of the semen volume would help in determining the 'total' sperm in the sample. Sperm concentration tends to be inversely proportional to the semen volume (not too surprisingly)

The percentage motility is also good, although here again there is even less of the full story. It is the percentage (and in turn total numbers) of rapidly moving sperm that is important. Those sperm that merely twitch or swim around in circles are less useful than those that go rapidly cork-scewing across the specimen. But the total of motile sperm is certainly good.

Morphology is a contentious area. There are two different criteria for assessing morphology - WHO, and Kruger Strict Criteria. By the former standard around 30-45% of sperm will be assessed as normal shape and size, whereas by the latter, Kruger grouping, the normal range is around 8-14%. So your 6% has a different significance according to the techniques employed by the laboratory.

Despite the paucity of sperm information, and the morphology, you are and remain a fertile man - and could very well have conceived your son with the sort of specimen that I have just been talking about above. However it is as a couple that you are trying to conceive, and if your semen picture is really less than ideal, then your partner is going to have to be more than average fertile to compensate for this fact, and achieve a pregnancy. If this can't be managed, and your lack of success over three years suggests that this compensation is not happening naturally then you may need some help.

But help can be offered to increase her fertility or to bypass this with formal fertility treatment.

So good luck for tomorrow, and keep us informed.

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Thursday, March 26th 2009, 8:04pm

Hi Pauly

Welcome to FZ,

Can't comment to much on your sperm but it sounds poor, not normal to me.

If it makes you feel any better my Dh has two previous children and he had very poor sperm.
Mum of 3 year old twins.
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Friday, March 27th 2009, 9:30pm

Thanks folks for the replies and information - we've been to see our consultant today and he does not seem too concerned (in fact quite reasonable), although have my repeat SA next week so fingers crossed! This next one will be more detailed and will try to get a copy this time :smile:
Chap, 39 yrs young :)

Been TTC with DW for over 3 yrs with no success, just starting down the AC road.