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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 2:02pm

100% abnormal forms and ICSI


My husband basically has oligoasthenoteratozoopsermia, so low count, low motility and unfortunately 100% abnormal forms. We're currently living in India and have been told by our clinic that even ICSI with 100% abnormal forms is not possible and I was just wondering whether this was true and if it wasn't is there any link between abnormal forms and genetic abnormalities?

My husband takes a massive concoction of supplements and is very healthy, ie low alcohol, fruit, veg, protein, no hot baths, cycling etc etc and has had ultrasounds to se if there was a blockage, which there isn't.

Thanks so much for any help/advice/feedback.

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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 3:15pm

100% abnormal forms

Hi Tink74,

My DH was showing 100% abnormal forms on his first sperm test. A later one showed a handful of normal forms. So I think you can get a variation from one test to another - so try not to panic.

When we first got our results I was pretty panicked about the abnormal forms thing and did some hunting around and I think they can still ICSI, but I think it depends on where in the process the sperm is being badly made. If it doesn't have all the necessary genes in there - then it won't work. But if that bit of the process is okay, then you still have a good chance with ICSI.

To be honest - I'm not an expert! You need Paul really, I'm sure he's warming up to type an answer any time. But just to reassure you, we had 100% abnormal forms and I'm currently 15weeks pregnant - with DH's sperm (unless there was some tragic mis-identification in the hospital - heaven forbid!) - so it CAN happen. Try not to panic just yet.

Welcome to FZ by the way. Hope you hang around, there's a lot of good info and support here.

With best wishes, Sarah xxx
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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 6:26pm

Hi Tink,Welcome to :FZ:

I am really sorry but I am unsure of the answer to your question , I agree with Sarah might be a question for Paul our resident Expert :smile:
I will let him know about your post and ask him to come and give you some advice
In the meantime here is some info to help you around the site.
There is a thread in this section, where us Male factor ladies have a natter
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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 7:21pm

Hello Tink and welcome to FZ
My dh also had 0% normal forms on one of his SA'a but had two repeat tests which showed 4% and 1%. At least two SA's should be performed to get a proper indication as sperm production works on a cycle and so there can be very varying results.

We had ICSI and it worked too!

I'm sure that our lovely Paul will be along to explain it better.
Good luck, i hope it works out for you xfingers

ICSI May 08 - BFP
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Jan 2010 natural BFP M/C 9 weeks
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Thursday, September 17th 2009, 11:12pm

Hi therr just come across your thread

Its a devasting feeling finding out your DP has 0% normal forms, my DP had same long named diagnosed last may, he has had 3 tests now all with very different readings and the 1st test was def the worst, all were under 5% normal forms but we have had icsi and we have been lucky.

Sperm test do vary sometimes considerably, my DP improved as he was made redundant from his driving job.

Out of my 9 eggs, 4 fertilised and 3 are frosted now

Good luck on your ttc journey, be brave through your tears i know how hard it is

Michelle xxx
Michelle 37 DP Rob 38 MFI
TTC 3 years Care Nottingham ICSI
EC 17 Aug 2009 ET 20 Aug 2009 3 ice babies
Test date 4th Sept 2009 BFP :D
Baby Jack Bob born 8th May 2010

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